Please read the "Where I say", below, as regards the "not really" notes Dog Cat ======================================= 0 ankleL 0 ankleL, 1 eyebrowL1 57 whiskerL1, <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball 2 eyebrowL2 58 whiskerL2, <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball 3 eyebrowL3 59 whiskerL3, <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball 4 earL1 4 cheekL, <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball 5 earL2 8 earL1, 6 earL3 9 earL2, 7 elbowL 12 elbowL, 8 eyeL 14 eyeL, 9 fingerL1 16 fingerL1, 10 fingerL2 17 fingerL2, 11 fingerL3 18 fingerL3, 12 footL 41 soleL, 13 handL 22 handL, 14 irisL 27 irisL, 15 jowlL 30 jowlL, 16 kneeL 32 kneeL, 17 nostrilL 34 knuckleL, <--this isn't really a conversion; it's a ball which is not convertable 18 shoulderL 38 shoulderL, 19 hipL 25 hipL, 20 toeL1 49 toeL1, 21 toeL2 50 toeL2, 22 toeL3 51 toeL3, 23 wristL 63 wristL, 24 ankleR 1 ankleR, 25 eyebrowR1 60 whiskerR1, <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball 26 eyebrowR2 61 whiskerR2, <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball 27 eyebrowR3 62 whiskerR3, <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball 28 earR1 5 cheekR, <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball 29 earR2 10 earR1, 30 earR3 11 earR2, 31 elbowR 13 elbowR, 32 eyeR 15 eyeR, 33 fingerR1 19 fingerR1, 34 fingerR2 20 fingerR2, 35 fingerR3 21 fingerR3, 36 footR 42 soleR, 37 handR 23 handR, 38 irisR 28 irisR, 39 jowlR 31 jowlR, 40 kneeR 33 kneeR, 41 nostrilR 35 knuckleR, <--this isn't really a conversion; it's a ball which is not convertable 42 shoulderR 39 shoulderR, 43 hipR 26 hipR, 44 toeR1 52 toeR1, 45 toeR2 53 toeR2, 46 toeR3 54 toeR3, 47 wristR 64 wristR, 48 belly 2 belly, 49 butt 3 butt, 50 chest 6 chest, 51 chin 7 chin, 52 head 24 head, 53 jaw 29 jaw, 54 neck 36 neck, 55 nose (bottom) 37 nose, 56 snout 40 snout, 57 tail1 43 tail1, 58 tail2 44 tail2, 59 tail3 45 tail3, 60 tail4 46 tail4, 61 tail5 47 tail5, 62 tail6 48 tail6, 63 tongue1 55 tongue1, 64 tongue2 56 tongue2, 65 Z-trans 66 ztrans, 66 Z-orient 65 zorient, Note, you may want to alter which earball in a catz is equivalent to which one in a dogz. The ear shapes are so very different. Where I say <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball these ballz can, with care, be used in place of each other although their behaviours will not be accurate and their positioning will have to be adjusted in [Move] and/or [Project Ball]. Where I say <--this isn't really a conversion; it's a ball which is not convertable these ballz really shouldn't be used instead of each other. They are from totally different parts of the body and don't have equivalents. Better to list them under [Omissions] if you're trying to convert from dogz to catz or vice versa. for a cat: [Omissions] 34 35 for a dog: [Omissions] 34 35 and make any new ballz you want in [Add Ball]. Remember also to remove the catz knuckle ballz from [Linez] if you do this. NOTE: [Add Ball] Ballz always start with ball number 67 and are utility ballz, not usually used by hexers and usually invisible, until we get to ball number 77. From then on it depends on the breed as to which ball is for what. Hexers need to note for themselves in their chosen breed which ball is which ball-number by counting down the lines of code. Catz' numbers 77-79 are usually nose ballz and then there are varying numbers of ear ballz, finally things like the Maine Coon ruff at ball 92-95 or the tabby stripes. Dogz' ball 77 is usually the tongue, and after that things like cheeks, mouth corners and ears in varying amounts; the Great Dane, though, is different by putting ear ballz first at 77-82, then tail ballz, with the tongue at 88 and _then_ all the cheek and mouth added ballz. You really do have to pay some attention yourself to finding which ball is which ball-number. Carolyn Horn