Please read the "Where I say", below, as regards the "not really" notes Cat Dog ======================================= 0 ankleL, 0 ankleL 1 ankleR, 24 ankleR 2 belly, 48 belly 3 butt, 49 butt 6 chest, 50 chest 7 chin, 51 chin 4 cheekL, 4 earL1 <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball 8 earL1, 5 earL2 9 earL2, 6 earL3 5 cheekR, 28 earR1 <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball 10 earR1, 29 earR2 11 earR2, 30 earR3 12 elbowL, 7 elbowL 13 elbowR, 31 elbowR 14 eyeL, 8 eyeL 15 eyeR, 32 eyeR 16 fingerL1, 9 fingerL1 17 fingerL2, 10 fingerL2 18 fingerL3, 11 fingerL3 19 fingerR1, 33 fingerR1 20 fingerR2, 34 fingerR2 21 fingerR3, 35 fingerR3 22 handL, 13 handL 23 handR, 37 handR 24 head, 52 head 25 hipL, 19 hipL 26 hipR, 43 hipR 27 irisL, 14 irisL 28 irisR, 38 irisR 29 jaw, 53 jaw 30 jowlL, 15 jowlL 31 jowlR, 39 jowlR 32 kneeL, 16 kneeL 33 kneeR, 40 kneeR 36 neck, 54 neck 37 nose, 55 nose (bottom) 38 shoulderL, 18 shoulderL 39 shoulderR, 42 shoulderR 40 snout, 56 snout 41 soleL, 12 footL 42 soleR, 36 footR 43 tail1, 57 tail1 44 tail2, 58 tail2 45 tail3, 59 tail3 46 tail4, 60 tail4 47 tail5, 61 tail5 48 tail6, 62 tail6 49 toeL1, 20 toeL1 50 toeL2, 21 toeL2 51 toeL3, 22 toeL3 52 toeR1, 44 toeR1 53 toeR2, 45 toeR2 54 toeR3, 46 toeR3 55 tongue1, 63 tongue1 56 tongue2, 64 tongue2 57 whiskerL1, 1 eyebrowL1 <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball 58 whiskerL2, 2 eyebrowL2 <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball 59 whiskerL3, 3 eyebrowL3 <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball 60 whiskerR1, 25 eyebrowR1 <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball 61 whiskerR2, 26 eyebrowR2 <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball 62 whiskerR3, 27 eyebrowR3 <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball 63 wristL, 23 wristL 64 wristR, 47 wristR 65 zorient, 66 Z-orient 66 ztrans, 65 Z-trans 34 knuckleL, 17 nostrilL <--this isn't really a conversion; it's a ball which is not convertable 35 knuckleR, 41 nostrilR <--this isn't really a conversion; it's a ball which is not convertable Note, you may want to alter which earball in a catz is equivalent to which one in a dogz. The ear shapes are so very different. Where I say <--not really, but it can be used because it's a head ball these ballz can, with care, be used in place of each other although their behaviours will not be accurate and their positioning will have to be adjusted in [Move] and/or [Project Ball]. Where I say <--this isn't really a conversion; it's a ball which is not convertable these ballz really shouldn't be used instead of each other. They are from totally different parts of the body and don't have equivalents. Better to list them under [Omissions] if you're trying to convert from dogz to catz or vice versa. for a cat: [Omissions] 34 35 for a dog: [Omissions] 34 35 and make any new ballz you want in [Add Ball]. Remember also to remove the catz knuckle ballz from [Linez] if you do this. NOTE: [Add Ball] Ballz always start with ball number 67 and are utility ballz, not usually used by hexers and usually invisible, until we get to ball number 77. From then on it depends on the breed as to which ball is for what. Hexers need to note for themselves in their chosen breed which ball is which ball-number by counting down the lines of code. Catz' numbers 77-79 are usually nose ballz and then there are varying numbers of ear ballz, finally things like the Maine Coon ruff at ball 92-95 or the tabby stripes. Dogz' ball 77 is usually the tongue, and after that things like cheeks, mouth corners and ears in varying amounts; the Great Dane, though, is different by putting ear ballz first at 77-82, then tail ballz, with the tongue at 88 and _then_ all the cheek and mouth added ballz. You really do have to pay some attention yourself to finding which ball is which ball-number. Carolyn Horn